What is Men’s Work? – 271 – The Smart Couple Podcast with Jayson Gaddis

What is Men’s Work? – 271 – The Smart Couple Podcast with Jayson Gaddis

Jayson Gaddis is … so … cool. I’m always happy to have the opportunity to be with him, learn from him, and share with him. I hope you enjoy. 

What is men’s work? Most people are unclear what this term means, but once you find out, you’ll be cheering on men who are involved in it. In this podcast, I interview one of the key players in the largest men’s organizations in the world. We cover some very intimate subjects, including #metoo, fatherhood, and the power of getting together as men.


  • (3:35) Introduction
  • (7:20) About Men’s Work
  • (10:55) Male relationships inside a family
  • (14:50) What is Men’s Work
  • (20:10) How a man can get out of his “Boy code” programming.
  • (25:40) How trauma causes addictions that keep you stuck
  • (31:10) How Men’s Work is getting more Popular
  • (37:50) Thoughts about the #MeToo movement
  • (43:25) Boysen’s experience as a father 
  • (53:15) Action step


Man with Purpose 037 – Boysen Hodgson | Working On Your Shadow with Pavel Nikolov

Man with Purpose 037 – Boysen Hodgson | Working On Your Shadow with Pavel Nikolov

Man With Purpose Podcast

with Pavel Nikolov

I very much enjoyed speaking with Pavel on his podcast. 

Amongst other things, we talked about the shadow, the unconscious aspect of ourselves which we reject, deny and/or repress. Lessons Learned

1. Pain drives evolution – organism evolves when the environment it is in becomes toxic and it has to evolve

2. Your partner isn’t responsible for your emotional labour

3. Listen, admire, mentor and bless the young people around you

4. Children would not do what you say, but they will certainly do what they see you do

I’m always grateful to speak with anyone about men’s work! 

Thanks to Pavel … 

… acknowledgement

I’ve been using your piece with adolescent boys for 6 years or so.  As a clinician working with young men I find that giving them space to explore how to interact with the world from a different vantage point that they can actually fight for is attractive to them.  I ask them to journal aspects of the NM they desire and have as well as the “Old Macho” and how they fall into false, insecure narratives of bravado.  We explore the needs that are met through both approaches.  Its been a pivotal document for many boys over the years. Thank You. ~ J

A New Story of Masculinity with Charles Eisenstein

A New Story of Masculinity with Charles Eisenstein

My humblest gratitude to Charles for making this conversation possible.
Please go to his web site to learn about the full course. 

Session One: How do we do “man”?

with Boysen Hodgson

This conversation introduces some of the themes and frames of our inquiry into masculinity. We start with some conceptual discussion of gender as distinct from biological sex — the interplay of biology and culture to produce gender, and a third element as well: the transhuman origin of archetypes and stories. Not only do we tell our stories, our stories tell us. Therefore, we arrive at the defining question of this course: It’s not what masculinity is outside of culture, outside of story. It is, What is the next story of the masculine? What are we ready to step into?

Then we go into some more ground-level issues: fatherhood, initiation, role models, and the New Warrior Training of the Mankind Project. We discuss the importance of relationships with other men, a ‘circle of men’ as Bill Kauth calls it, for a man to abide in a mature masculinity.

Finally we zoom back out again to take on masculinity and the detachment from materiality. What are we in service to? Could it be that the same unwillingness to hear and see women is related to our obliviousness to the needs of Mother Earth? What would civilization and technology look like, if instead of imposing a design onto nature, we listened first to what the land wants, what the water wants, what the trees want, seeking no longer to harness, dominate, and transcend materiality, but to make love to materiality?


A Conversation with Boysen Hodgson

Questions for Study, Meditation, and Discussion

1. Is there something in you of the Warrior that is not about aggression and domination? Or could there be a proper and right expression of aggression, which after all is part of nature, that is in service to life? Is this an aspect of our nature that we must suppress, or does it have a healthy expression?

2. Freedom from approval-seeking is often an important aspect of initiation into manhood — to quote from Iron Hans, it is the reclaiming of the key from under Mother’s pillow. But in our society, many of us are not fully liberated from approval-seeking. Therefore, we are not fully sovereign. Consider the quote from the live call:

”This constant seeking of permission to be a man is generative of abuse of women. When we can source our masculinity without seeking approval only then can we be truly an empowered man.”

And look at the following pattern: Approval-seeking → loss of sovereignty → resentment → aggression → shame → approval-seeking. Think about the extent approval-seeking influences your life, what may have freed you from it, who you are without it, and how to liberate others from it.


Follow-up Conversation with Q&A